You raise some interesting points. him; as the grace of God, the righteousness of God, peace with Peter says four things: (1) Don’t be surprised that you are suffering for the gospel (4:12). Hi Lewis, the point is that it does say just that in the passage you refer to it depends what lense you look through, for me this is one of the great grace messages Jesus gave. Sir, even though I hardly comment, I’m addicted to your blog– E2R and I’m blessed by it. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? The other word Peter uses to describe our sufferings is "trial" (NIV, KJV) or "ordeal" (NRSV). The first interpretation emphasizes things we must do while the second emphasizes things Christ has already done. Why would God, who IS love, put such a strict boundary on Himself as to the reach of His love? Wow. First let me address Brandon. God did not force Adam and Eve to love Him; He let them choose. Did He mean it literally or was it symbolic. Now the Rome itself was out to get them. The first times of God would never knowingly put this entire world in the chaos it is in. (, California - Do Not Sell My Personal Information. everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and 1 Peter 4:17 NKJV - For the time has come for judgment to - Bible Gateway. I hold to the latter more now than before, seems tom make more sense to me in light of Jesus’ finished work. 1 Peter 4:1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, (NASB: Lockman) Greek: Christou oun pathontos sarki kai humeis ten auten ennoian ho plisasthe ( 2PAMM) hoti o pathon sarki pepautai hamartias, Satan has been defeated and the prison walls are down. But ALL des not mean ALL whether they believe,recieve or not. It’s the decision of a judge or authority. If God were ever going to override our freedom, why didn’t He do that back in the garden? Peter encourages them with a vision of "an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance that doesn't fade away, reserved in Heaven Yes. An example is take the two instances where Jesus spoke of people who had great faith. Great article! The parable does not prove eternal hell. preaching it, and succeeds the ministry of it; and it being his I would rather die for persons than causes. the meaning is, that God’s judgment would be dreadful against the ungodly, since the way to salvation was so thorny and difficult to the elect. See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. To ‘hell’ something is to bury it in a hole or pit, out of sight.”. The action or inaction is irrelevant.It is the reason we do that indicates the presence of a RELATIONSHIP with God which supplies the power to act as sheep do. But the only trouble is where I live. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! If they persecuted Jesus they will persecute you. judgment on the world, and condemnation with it; see ( 1 Jesus didn’t share your uncertainty about hell. “if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed” That’s good news. Thanks. It’s the decision of a judge or authority. “Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.” -Romans 5:18. v.16. It is my understanding only those who understand who the God of the Bible is, would be able to understand the mind of God and his word. I like this site, because we are asked to share what “we think”, rather than what god is saying. The good news is believers have nothing to fear 1 Thess 1:8,10. That’s quite an oversight! Our approaching end, is a powerful argument to make us sober in all worldly … They may talk about Ananias and Sapphira but ignore Jesus. If Jesus said he would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would he judge those he has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect? Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.a. house This helps. For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? He wants to go into all of the world to announce the Good News! It’s free! Great question! If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. Since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind: The commitment God calls us to have is nothing greater than the commitmen… ( Log Out / Again great site! Your friendship was worth it. Hey Paul, another great post! If hell is eternal, all is permanently lost. The Adam Clarke Commentary, has a good entry on this, too. You may be interested in my recent “Conversations about hell” and “What happens to babies who die?”. Salem Media Group. I argued with this topic a few weeks ago. It’s not “specious” to say that if by one man Adam got us all condemned and by one Man Christ only some us will be saved then Adam and Satan did a greater work than God. In saying this, It is very simple to know that Man through Adam have lost his righteousness, because of disobedience.Than Christ comes along, and redeems man from the sin of unrighteousness that he may be righteousness once again, man has been set free from the bondage of sin and disobedience. They support this by very cleverly devising Gal 2:20 from the King James Version which talks about “living by the faith of God”. Someone whose faith is in the former will interpret the judgment of 1 Peter 4:17 as punishment for Christians. afflictions; and which are in love to them, and therefore are If it isn’t, then Jesus is not the Savior and you should live in mortal fear. Whosoever wants to drink of jesus ( the many) , will be saved but whosoever wants to follow in Adams steps ( the many) he can do that too. Lou, the parable doesn’t make any distinction about gentiles or Jews. The First Epistle of Peter, usually referred to simply as First Peter and often written 1 Peter, is a book of the New Testament.The author presents himself as Peter the Apostle.The text of the letter includes a statement that implies that it was written from "Babylon", which is possibly a reference to Rome.The letter is addressed to … They are speaking to the vindication of the Lord. Become an Escape to Reality subscriber today. The good news of God’s grace will not be heard unless those who preach it are bold. ___________. Well done. Paul you do a great job that is very encouraging for me to shift into total grace! The good news is not “you’re going to hell;” the good news is that Jesus died so that you don’t have to. I personally wonder if the inextinguishable fires of hell are reserved for Satan and the fallen angels who tormented, deceived, etc. they have their sufferings now, and not with the wicked in the early brought upon them to try them, and purge them, and make I was in them when they came here. By question is how do you read it in the light of grace since Gal 3:13 says ” Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law…. I know I’m asking you not to be religious. that’s a bit of immaturity since so many of us are scared of hell, those of us who know better shouldn’t be afraid. It really is finished. But God’s gifts are greater, right? 2:14] has ceased from sin, 2 # Rom. So what is Peter talking about when he says it’s time for judgment to begin with the house of God? Some will fall in adoration; others may fall in terror. resemble these, and serve to illustrate them. I believe all sin was dealt with on the cross. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I’m interested in having it as soon as it is published. proved by the sufferings of the saints for it: and the phrase 1 Peter 4:17. But I strongly disagree with those who say we are born fist-waving, hell-bound rebels. 4 Since Christ suffered in the flesh,+ you too arm yourselves with the same mental disposition;* because the person who has suffered in the flesh has desisted from sins,+ 2 so that he may live the remainder of his time in the flesh, no more for the desires of men,+ but for God’s will.+ 3 For the time that has passed … building, where he dwells, and grants his gracious presence, and So I’ll give you the short version and leave it at that: I don’t believe anyone of us is born with a “sin gene.” Surely, we a born in a world bent towards sin. Learning about God’s Grace is liberating. And the speedy approach of death and judgment concerns all, to which these words naturally lead our minds. v.19: “(you) who suffer according to God’s will”, meaning for the gospel. eternal vengeance in flames of fire. Not everyone sees Jesus as Lord; one day they will. 2 Thess 6-10, Paul does talk about hell. Indeed Paul never mentions it. Neither seem likely. The judgment of God exercised in suffering, 1 Peter 4:17-18 5. It certainly cannot be a good judgement or reward! You seem to be making arguments on the basis of your sense of fair-play. her; all his people's times are in his hand, as of comfort, so of You build foolishly if you ignore the words of Jesus. That parable is also just one of many many verses referring to Hell (regardless of root words) and the concept of an eternal separation from God for those who persisted in their unbelief. We are given a simple choice choose life or death. The Expositor's Greek Testament. Adam did not rule and therefore lost his authority – bottom line. Is Peter saying Christians can lose their salvation? Philadelphia has been on my to-do list for about a year. Thanks for availing yourself to Jesus and for revealing to million of people the hyper grace of Jesus Christ. The ‘a’ is a prefix meaning in English ‘un’ and the stem ‘id’ means to perceive. “It 3 will not leave even a root or branch. The Gospel isn’t Good News if most people will suffer an unspeakable torment forever. phrases, and frequent expressions in their writings, which They seem to forget that all of our sins were dealt with at the cross. “Because God loves you he’s going to give you a whipping. Grace is the only way gospel sets you free. What makes you stumble is your choice, the exercise of your will, to act in a way not in alignment with Christ. your tone of voice says your angry, yet I can’t see a worshipping child continuing in faith angry. I seriously came 2 inches to accepting the teaching that all are automatically born again just for being human but there is so much twisting of scripture i see done in order to accept it. (non-christians) Or that this needs to be understood through the filter of the cross? That’s the good news of the cross. Blessings. of which God is the author, and which contains things relating to in this world wrath came upon them to the uttermost, ruin upon I had no choice about where I was born, but I can’t blame my ancestors if I’m unhappy here yet don’t choose to leave. I’m glad to hear you’re working on a grace based book. Where was our freedom when Adam fell and doomed us all to an everlasting torture chamber? Even in the o.t. If you take a look at my post on Thyatira, you will find links to the other churches (Ephesis, Sardis, and Laodicea) at the bottom. Jesus did a greater work because redemption leaves us far better off than Adam was before He fell. Hi Dr. Paul, I thank Jesus for blessing you with His wisdom which by the same spirit you impart to me as I read your writings. the Jewish people, as a whole, rejected it. I began Escape to Reality with a series of studies on the churches of Revelations 2-3. What condemns us is our refusal to lay hold of the free gift of life (John 3:18). Similarly, falling down in reverence is a perfectly normal reaction to seeing Jesus in all his true glory. They were not Jews under the law……. How in the name of all that is sensible are we supposed to get joyful over a divine whipping? I’m mindful and Apostle will have a greater reward in Heaven than let’s say a guy who lived a wicked life and never embraced what Christ did but that same wicked man will one day no longer be wicked and will live. the sin of such who despise and reject it, as did the unbelieving 1 He exhorteth them to cease from sin by the example of Christ, and the consideration of the general end that now approacheth: 12 and comforteth them against persecution. I do see the phrase, “household of God” as an indication that there are But you’ve still got to get up an walk out. The root word does not take away or detract from the fact that the Bible teaches there is a place of eternal separation from God. God did not create puppets, he created mankind with a free will and said “You rule the earth” (Gen 1:28). haha. The coming day will burn them up,” says the Lord who rules over all. I started looking up articles about Hell on the internet. But the Bible teaches clearly that God will not violate His own nature by withdrawing His good gifts. But you’ve still got to get up an walk out.” But none of us had that choice with Adam did we? We have been forgiven.” I don’t consider myself a “universalist” but the above quote from your reply backs up what I believe. It seems like they have to prove they are right, to fully persuade themselves about what they believe because they are hoping they are correct. If an earthly father knows how to give good gifts to his children how much more your Father in Heaven? 1 Peter 5:8, ESV: "Be sober-minded; be watchful.Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." Here on earth if someone forces their love on you without your consent, it is considered to be rape. Parables are to be read with the Spirit. What News is that? upon another, as Christ had foretold: or else the church of God, of course. Biblical Commentary (Bible Study) 1 Peter 4:12-16 EXEGESIS: THE CONTEXT: Recipients of this letter are experiencing trials, harsh treatment, and suffering (1:6-7; 2:18-20; 3:13-17; 4:1-4, 12-19; 5:10). God doesn’t send anyone to hell; we send ourselves. I admit my thinking was this refers to judgment in terms of condemnation and damnation, etc. Sorry that comment above was super long; my bad. They left and took us with them. Rom 8:38-39 says that nothing, not even death, will be able to separate us from the love of God. The key to understanding 1 Peter 4:17 is the word judgment. 1 Since therefore # ch. Regardless, Peter said its Gods will that no one perish but change thier mind (non Christians) look away from themselves and believe (1 Pet 4:17 AMP, 2 Pet 3:9, Acts 18:30-31). Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Isaiah (and Paul in Philippians 2) are not speaking to the issue of universalism one way or another. They will refer to patterns of judgment in the Old Testament but make no mention of the cross. trouble and distress; for as it was necessary the Gospel should It is in the queue to be published probably next week. and profess his name: what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of It’s one thing to hear the gospel, but another to receive it. Proverbs 14:12 NIV “There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.”, paul is teaching the gospel of grace… that offers salvation to all people and teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, so that we will live sober, righteous and godly lives in the here and now (titus 2:11-12) Why put His Son through all the anguish of dying on a cross if He was going to save everybody in any case? (1 Peter 4:17 ESV) The Greek word translated as judgment is "krima," which means a decision or a verdict was made and is not the act of judging. We all have the same choice. 1 Peter 4 ; 1PET 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1PET 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 1 Peter 4:18 - And if it is with difficulty that the righteous is saved , what will become of the godless man and the sinner ? And this is said, lest we should securely indulge ourselves, but carefully proceed in our course, and lest we should also seek the smooth and easy road, the … But I wanted to add something. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. (all the atrocities that our Father never meant for us to experience) God’s beloved children for thousands of years. This is not about Satan being mightier. I choose to believe the cross was a finished work also. But Christ came through the womb and saved us all. Article Images Copyright © 2021 Getty Images unless otherwise indicated. design believers in Christ, those that are of the household and world to come, which will have no end: and if [it] first begin at us; What you describe Lou typically translates into a license to sin. (2) Even though persecution is painful, rejoice on account of the coming glory (4:13). were the symbol of his presence, and his worship; and now the Can I ask you about sheep and goats. I seem to remember every knee bowing when they came to take Jesus in the garden. “Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.” -Romans 5:18. It was more in-depth about what I was saying; I don’t know why it didn’t come up. I choose to believe in the finished work of the cross. Sadly, some won’t. When Noah told the What you say about 1 Peter 4:17 makes sense, but then how do we interpret the next verse? Those who are in Christ are complete (Col 2:10) and perfect forever (He 10:14). Hi Kavin, thanks for your comment. 4 Now those “friends” think it is strange that you no longer join them in all the wild and wasteful things they do. I agree that hell is not part of the gospel. But you then argue that we have no choice now – all will be saved. Finally, a universalist by definition is one believes that all will be saved. I’m going to give you two interpretations. Choose. Straighten up and fly right. Christ universal victory is freely available to all, but they have to accept and embrace it. All are welcome. They chose poorly. The universalist view negates any faith response from a believer and rejects any form of responsibility. with him; and which he commits to men, and qualifies them for Your comment about plucking an eye is an example of hyperbole. Eternal separation in and of itself IS hell, whether you use a lower case or upper case h/H. From what I learn from you many people are being liberated here from the bondage of sin every single day. them partakers of his holiness: besides, wicked men are often Posted on February 24, 2011 by Paul Ellis // 63 Comments, For it is time for judgment to begin with the house of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? Given the context – state-sponsored terrorism of Christians and the very real threat of persecution unto death – I think Peter is encouraging the saints. Awesome article (as usual)! ( Log Out / ( when did we not ). Hey Paul, this has been one of my favorite posts of yours (a solid third to your series on Inclusionism and the other on hell), but I wonder if you still hold to the idea of original sin in light of what i’ve read of your stuff lately? Why didn’t God just punish Adam and Eve and let his offspring be free to make a choice as well? Thus we have unperceived, unseen. thanks for the clarity. 6 Some were told … I used to believe in the doctrine of Hell thankfully no more. They are merely “victims of circumstance”. which he beautifies, fills, repairs, and defends; and so may and which are fatherly chastisements, and different from God's It’s for your own good.”. 2: “Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the Name that is above every name, that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (the Greek word here can mean ‘subterranean; infernal, belonging to the world of departed souls), and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” This could mean that eventually EVERY soul will realize who Christ is – unless this verse means that God is forcing some to kneel against their will – which I know you cannot abide the thought of (and neither can I.) You have every right to disagree with me but I would ask that you read what I have said previously and now and try and see what I am saying.There is much more that could be said about these words and it all in my view points to Grace. But the good news was worth it. The “self” we’re told to deny is our nature we inherited from Adam’s fall. I always consult e2r when it comes to difficult scriptures. Oddly God never mentioned an everlasting torment when he kicked Adam out of the Garden. Either Jesus is Lord or He isn’t. Been reading the comments. Thanks. The appeal to the elders, 1 Peter 5:1-4 a. If God loses just one to hellfire or whatever than Satan and Adam did a greater work than Christ. (scriptures in parenthesis). 1 Peter 4:17. I’m at the East Region of Cameroon in Africa and I’ve earlier searched for your books here to no avail. Also in my studies of what,” all knowing’ means it never means God knew every move every man would ever make before he made it. them, because it is only in this life the saints have their Proud member
Story of ananias and sapphira really bothers me. He is the one who will soon judge everyone—those who are still living and those who have died. I have a doubt on eternal security I need you to help dissolve. Hi Dr. Paul, thanks for the direction. lol I really do thugh. So your theory of “You had to have sat for years and years under this teaching to begin interpreting scripture this way. imply, being introduced with the causal particle, "for"; that Commentary on 1 Peter 4:7-11 (Read 1 Peter 4:7-11) The destruction of the Jewish church and nation, foretold by our Saviour, was very near. God knew what was going to happen and that is why Christ was ready to go even before the foundation of this world. Impossible! God is! Ephesians 2:8 is just one scripture that demolishes the universalist argument. Can’t that happen after we are no longer in our earthsuit? Because people need to believe it. Let me finish with three questions for those who still think God is judging/punishing the church: Just something to think about. I have answered from the NKJ bible from others , other conclusions will be made. The Gospel in Ten Words They will use words like purification and discipline but what they really mean is condemnation and wrath. God is behind these bad things, but don’t worry because far worse things are going to happen to sinners.” They may try and pass this off as “good news” by saying it’s better to suffer a little wrath now than hellfire later. Certainly glad to be a sheep . (not that I doubt that as truth for a second). You have to stretch and speculate to arrive at your conclusion. God bless you for this site. What happens after that is the Lord’s business. Peter was the son of Jonas (Matt. I also came close to believing the bible is ,”just a book” which ade believing this doctrine super appealing and easy to embrace. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.a. In the rush of the past few years I felt I was still dealing with this beast. IF so, what curses is Paul talking about? For the time is come that judgment must begin at the The First of Peter. I can’t embrace this doctrine aand still be faithful to scripture.  Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:  Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, … I love the idea of nobody being lost – I really do – after all, it’s God’s will that none should perish. In the original Greek this word is krima which means decision or decree. I suggest you will find a more engaging audience on this recent post over on New Covenant Grace. You also need to do some pretty good gymnastics with certain scriptures to make them “fit” with this view.” like the belief in eternal damnation is far from the truth. NIV®. Been to Pentecostal, Baptist, Charismatic, non-denom etc. A judgment can be good or bad, in your favor or against you, but in the New Testament krima is usually bad. There are numerous other verses supporting it as well. Think of this: a child that dies prematurely – that child’s parents will continue to love them passionately loooong after that child has departed from their human body. It has nothing to do with Satan or Adam doing a greater work than Christ. I could be wrong. 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect who are sojourners of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Bible in Basic English. You had to have sat for years and years under this teaching to begin interpreting scripture this way. Time is short. Imagine a person being set free from prison and committing a crime after he was released, what would happen to that person. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? But i know nobody believes that. All rights reserved worldwide. Part of our original sin was to put a measure on God, and freedom from this is to accept his limitless goodness. 2 But for you who respect my name, the sun of vindication 4 will rise with healing wings, 5 and you will skip … I wish that what you said is true, that God will save all. Rms 5:18 “justification that brings life to all men” sounds like “grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men” (Tit 2:11). God has his set time to favour his Zion, so likewise to chastise Above each Greek word there is a transliteration which helps people to pronounce the word, and linked to each transliterated word there is a page which gives a list of other places where the same word is used in the bible, together with translations from NAS, KJV, and the Interlinear Bible. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God By the house of God is either meant the temple at Jerusalem, which is often so called, because it was built for God, and where were the symbol of his presence, and his worship; and now the time was come, or at hand, that God would begin at his … It’s the grave or Sheol if you will also a place of uncertainty. I notice you don’t have any comments on Hebrews 13:4 in your scripture archive, and wondered which conclusion you come to about this verse? That’s why God wants us to tell everyone so they can call Him Father and live that “abundant life” Christ promised. If we lived up to the same standard as the Early Church how much greater would our lives and those who are lost lives be? Of course they won’t come right out and say it. God is addressing this as a comforting message to the saints at all times. It has encouraged me so much. Learn how your comment data is processed. It just sounded to me from other topics that he was teaching a Christian can live life anyway he’d like and that’s not it. The response to the goats is even more provocative , here the word brother is not used when referring to these, and this may indicate the unwillingness to help someone who is not by what we can see ( behavior ) able to be defined as a brother, and because of this these are the goats, it false seems these goats thought they were all ok , or self righteous. Jews, who seem chiefly designed, here; it was first preached to Every single one of us responds to Jesus one way or another. 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance. Jesus exposes the motivation of both groups as being what is important. I choose to believe that God condemned ALL sin – including yours, mine, and Ananias and Sapphira’s – in the flesh (ie: in Jesus), just as the Bible declares (Rom 8:3). If Judgment fell on Christ for everyone than how can folks still be lost in the end? God is an ever consuming fire. In verse 19 he encourages the believers to commit themselves “to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.” Who is faithful? 6:14; 14:7; 2 Cor. Of the two possible errors, the one you risk is infinitely riskier. 1 Peter 5:8 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 5:8, NIV: "Be alert and of sober mind.Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." My take on the “every knee will bow” verse is this: Every eye that looks at the sun shall blink. The Lord also said to pluck an eye out if makes you stumble. We are. “If God were somehow going to save everybody, why didn’t He just plainly state it? The rest of my post didn’t come up, only the end part of it. You seem to be reading more into it than what is present. In the beginning, the New Testament church only had to worry about persecution from religious folk. The Hyper-Grace Gospel Hi Paul, I’m so glad you posted this article….thank you! Abraham called the Rich Man “son” and the Rich Man called him “Father”. You must choose. Thanks. 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