With twin cooling towers, seven heatpipes and two 140mm fans, the GamerStorm Assassin III from Deep Cool brought us the lowest temperature of big-air coolers. You plug it and it's now working. As far as I can tell, it's entirely superficial, so not a huge issue. So yeah, your CPU would be cooled a lot better but the thing that's likely impacting your game performance most (the GPU) will be hotter and slower, edit: consider that today's GPUs are very much thermally limited, they are automatically clocked as high as the drivers think they can go depending on how hot they are. For more on how these can perform (and how good they look), check out our Mirror Maze build feature. I found the Corsair H80i V2 (49mm thick rad + 2 x 120mm fans / five-year warranty) for ~$60 new on Newegg, which felt like a buy for something definitely better than garbage (though would've preferred a 140mm or 240mm). [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (1 child). Been thinking on doing a mITX build for years now but the top SFF cases are so expensive I just figured putting the money saved towards the GPU is a better investment. [–]-Y0- 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). If price is your concern in this battle, then water cooling vs air cooling isn’t even a competition. IMO, it’s not unreasonable to replace a cooler once every 6-7 years. The Impractical but Indisputable Rise of Retrocomputing (Featuring LGR). It's a solid low-priced, low-noise cooler at around the same price as the Pure Rock 2, with a simplified installation compared to previous models. Nah, but it's a thing where he mentions it like every other video where he works with aio's. Guess I'm woefully versed in water cooling, [–]pakeco 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). The next thing to consider is price. It's not like thinking of exterior metal where they're 1) not as pure, 2) touch a wide variety of chemicals, oils, and other metals, 3) not constructed from a solid piece of metal, and 4) actually subject to external forces (i.e., besides water vapour, heatpipes are a vacuum). I've been using it for about 1.5 years. No self-edtiorialized titles, just copy the title of the site, with the exception of clickbait titles. Basically, you need to position the AIO such that the highest point of the radiator is higher than all of the tubing and the pump block itself. [–]Killomen45 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). Information like that should be listed in a review like this. Maybe a topic for another video. We also recently took a look at revamped old favorite in the budget air cooling realm, Cooler Master's Hyper 212 Evo v2. I think /u/wankthisway is talking about CLCs; the Aurora 280 is an AIO (i.e,. LGR - The smallest Windows PC in 1995 was also a Phone! Interesting. Images submitted as self posts must include an informative description for context. One of the things that you’re bound to be faced with when working with a new build is the question of the cooling solution. Air coolers, on the other hand, rely on a nearby higher-flow case fan to avoid re-ingesting their own exhaust or warming other components. The person that did the testing on there is now doing fan testing for TechPowerUp, which is nice, but gone are the neat comparison graphs and instead, bar charts are used. /r/hardware is not the place to come for help of any kind. And It seems there is not a huge price leap from high end air CPU cooling and the H100.....so are there any benchmark number for H100 Vs Thermalright/Noctua? BTW have you seen this Bitwit video about radiator placement? Read:  be quiet! [–]bitch_fitching 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). Spam and self promotion are not allowed. Even with higher wattage systems, you can reach 'good enough' temperatures at inaudible noise levels with high end air coolers. Because what do you do with that? That's quite the oversite there Tom's Hardware. Granted a bunch of friends including myself helped him build it, but he’s not hardware savvy, [–]owari69 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (1 child). [–]manesag 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), I’ve had my X61 since 2016, no issue at all. Liquid cooling is reliable and overall has a low failure rate and most failures are not catastrophic, meaning they don't typically explode and leak in the system. They mention that liquid cooling is primarily from Asetek/CoolIT, who supply server farms for liquid cooling. If you want something firmly reliable and with limited points of failure, an air cooler is obviously going to—well, in most instances—be that product. It's just a bit of coal, [–]geniice 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (2 children). In any way. This. For one, I don't have a need and can't justify spending more than 50€ on a cooler and CLCs at that pricepoint are garbage. TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. Come on, over 28 minutes just to say that air cooling is better (as in the best buy, which is what 99.99999999% of people mean in the computer world)…. Thank you! But using a specific case would invalidate the result "even more". Should be stated that gunk builds up on the insides of liquid coolers. Plus with water flowing too fast, the molecules heat up anyway. Some notable lifecycle tests (from a company that makes heatpipes, so take your grains of salt): https://www.1-act.com/high-temperature-water-heat-pipe-life-tests-150c-to-300c/, https://www.1-act.com/process-control-life-tests/, [–]Master_Mura 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (0 children). © I can't hear it through a Define R2 case though, so it doesn't matter. Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling: Five Things to Consider Before You Choose. I keep the massive bulky noctua on my dedicated server tucked away. I don't want to rag on this particular video, but what it fails to consider is how garbage the included fans on CLC's are and that when you stick the AIO in the case, you're introducing further airflow restrictions. Liquid coolers are popular for a few reasons: performance, wow-factor, and noise level. I can replace a failing/ticking fan on an air cooler (and might even improve the characteristics depending on the model), good luck getting a pump replaced in an AIO out of warranty. If I didn't miss anything, the X62 and X72 are at least $50 more expensive than the NH-15. Their deployments are in the millions and include extreme environments, extreme cold or extreme heat. [–]iopq 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago (37 children), [–]Gaffots 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago (35 children). Sizes: 120mm. The one unexpected positive: because you can mount the AIO anywhere, I mounted it outside the case so the entire case is cold to the touch now (no GPU): intake is "the ambient room air" and it exhausts into "the ambient room air". OC running a 9900K(S) can be 200 MHz higher with a custom loop vs high end air cooling even if you aren't running into thermal throttling territory, just because OC stability decreases with higher temperatures. You could throw the same fans on the air cooler too for that comparison. [–]Luxurious_Foam 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago* (4 children). [–]QuadraKev_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), I guess an open bench doesn't really account for air that can get trapped/recycled in a case, [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (9 children). excuse my English . I reach 49c on my 1080 Ti with a Morpheus cooler and two ML120 fans. But...how is a radiator adding "further airflow restrictions"? A Ryzen 3700X has 88W PPT at stock and the lowest GN test is 123W with differences already being miniscule. This is simply not true. Best Memory [–]Luxurious_Foam 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (1 child). I guess a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). I go for air cooling. I think this is the only reason I am going to keep sticking with AIO solutions for now. In my opinion water cooling 1080ti is not worth it. So you don't really want to give praise for that because then it's just doing its job. Even more amazing is that it does so with roughly the same noise profile, making the Scythe Fuma a fearsome offering in that it doesn't sacrifice a low-noise operation for its exceptional price-to-performance ratio. This one is pretty clear-cut. Again, the liquid cooled GPU did not have to run the fans on 100% and yet it remained cool and the stable overclock brought a 20% increase in performance. The way for heat pipes to fail is either catastrophic breach or fabrication error. Thanks for including a down-draft cooler. I use an H80i V2 (49mm rad + 2x120mm) because 1) it was on sale for $60 and 2) a properly sized CPU heatsink (an i5-8600K) would've tipped over my 9" tall case, lmao. On some subs you can still get crucified for suggesting a 240mm CLC when it fact here, it does seem to objectively be a good purchase in some instances. You never need to think about them or worry about replacing them. Probably gets good money from asetek which is also why they haven’t reviewed the arctic liquid freezer 2’s. Turns out it's usually the pump that just meekly dies out first. [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points 9 months ago (3 children). [–]hst12 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (3 children). Ah damn, these even more terminology I'm missing I guess. Dimensions: 158.8 x 132.4 x 58.2mm | Base Height: 37.88mm | Weight: 43.87oz (1247g) | Fans: (2) 120 x 25mm RGB | Socket Support: AMD FM2(+), FM1, AM2(+), AM3(+), AM4, Intel 7115x, 1366, 2011x, 2066 | Warranty: 5 years. and join one of thousands of communities. CPU Cooling benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations. Say 5 hour gaming session with fans at max. I don't think there's any way I'll swap my Dark Rock Pro 4 for any AIOs. True, I was fully expecting 280 CLC to beat a nh-d15 but the noise levels are better than I thought on the liquid side. They do. :(, [–]EmperorCanadian 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Best Budget Air Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo [–]spazdep 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]anexanhume 74 points75 points76 points 9 months ago (82 children). My take on it is either air or custom loop. usage CPU temps are a few degrees higher or lower as long as you aren't overclocking? One of my builds has a the NH-D14 running for about 10 years, on 3 new systems now. [–]deegwaren 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). Can't even imagine why this important fact is entirely omitted from the article... Err where are the cooling performance comparisons.. is this an opinion or marketing piece? Also added to the original comment, but realized there are no edit notifications: That's much better than most hard drives, i.e., more reliable than any single hard drive tested by Backblaze. I'd say a consumer 140mm fan running without odd noises for 10 years, especially in a high on/off cycle environment, is most impressive. Wouldn't that problem get exaggerated behind a panel/mesh? The intake is outside air and the exhaust is outside air: you can't beat that. New York, Those pumps can’t pass water fast enough or in large quantities as truly needed for extended use. I’d take the 3M novec cooling solution though. I run the pump (constant 12 + variable fan speed completely through the UEFI fan control. In the 40 dba chart the best clc was 10 C cooler than the D15, would love to see how much further that can go. If I recall correctly a question about why cases don't have side intakes nowadays was recently read out on Ask GN and Steve's answer was along the lines of that it was a good idea but it made implementing TG difficult so form above function essentially. [–]Bergh3m 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (3 children), [–]UlrikHD 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). I never liked AIOs. delivers on that pedigree at such a pleasing price point with the Pure Rock 2, it's an undeniable recommendation for serious system builders on any budget. The cheapest AIO liquid cooling setups can cost as much as the best air coolers on the market. Liquid Cooling Performance Testing Posted by Brian Nyhuis | Mon, May 01, 2017 - 12:00 PM Jump To: Page 1: Ryzen CPU Cooler vs. [–]Pjotrs 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), And did they say they are? It was pretty noisy though, so I've been happy with my recent switch to air. If your post asks a question about a specific product or need, it probably belongs elsewhere. Liquid cooling vs Air cooling: Price. But to be fair, it's a little bit undervolted. The last thing I want is pumps failing and liquid leaking. GPU temperature and power draw would also be acceptable, I think. Also not everyone really hears pump noise, some one might not hear anything but I hear that really piercing high pitch always. Where are the Hyper 212 and the like? I wonder why you link a 5 month old review, instead of reviewing the latest ENERMAX LIQTECH TR4 II serie? Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. ;), [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (6 children). if true. What is typically not mentioned but is my main reason for using AIO is that it makes the initial build and subsequent modification easier. AIOs should have an even larger advantage over air coolers when mounted in a case. They absolutely will. I'd be interested to see statistics on AIO & fans failure rates, like there are for hard drives. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Atemu12 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]aSc4rYGh0sT 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago (1 child). [–]mytommy 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (4 children), do u have a video link where he explains this, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). No content behind paywalls. Still prefer air cooler because in my country, liquid cooler has no warranty or coverage for other components when it fails. I wouldn't keep one past the warranty because failure can be very expensive. It was still working fine, no leaks or fan issues. maybe see if these AIO can be even better without better fans. For the handful of coolers tested, perhaps. A year ago Linus the twat he is put out a video saying AIO are useless and everyone should use AIR. It is the belief of many that liquid coolers are better at managing the temperatures of your processor, but this isn’t always the case. I got inpatient waiting for the GN review, and I ended up switching from an EVGA CLC 360 to the Arctic 360 about a month ago. It would be nice to see stats on how much cooling each one provides. So you don't violate the asetek pump block patent. The Aurora 280 is an AIO, but with replaceable parts; that's like the 2nd system above. Arctic AIO's would be at the top of my list too if it wasn't for their poor warranty period and the lack of coverage for part damage in said warranty. Air cooling vs. it’s not unreasonable to replace a cooler once every 6-7 years. It is a scenario of no gpu/gpu load and open bench though so we know AIOs are better then but the video doesn't say how case, gpu load, rad top or front affect the comparison (+ how GPU temps change). I ran a gen one Corsair H100i from 2013 until last month, when I did a rebuild. [–]Mr_Golf_Club 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), My Noctua NH-L9x65 fan is by far the quietest cooler I’ve had yet, keeps my i7 in fine temps, and this made a fantastic option for my mini towers that fit perfectly next to the RAM mounts, [–]re_error 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago* (3 children). My pump has got really loud over time, sounds like air in the AIO but performance has remained the same. By that logic, a CPU cooler is also adding airflow restrictions. With products like the FUMA around, I have to wonder if AiOs (especially larger 240mm or 360mm models) make sense at all outside of itx builds (or hobbyists wanting supreme performance). [–]shadytinh 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), I was really interested in the 280mm version of the Arctic but then I double checked my clearance. [–]wankthisway 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). When choosing a cooling solution for your brawny processor, you have two options: air coolers or liquid coolers. Corsair Hydro Series H60. Comparably priced AIOs in the table seemed to perform equally. there is replacement of all the pieces, everything included), but it is not a CLC. Liquid Cooling. Rendered by PID 20535 on r2-app-064eb071d180ac51a at 2021-01-09 04:10:17.472428+00:00 running d8cca48 country code: IT. Considering the CLC 360 is at or near the top of GN's charts, I'd expect the Arctic to easily be number 1. Best Threadripper Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 50TR. Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? I was looking at AIOs in terms of ecological waste as well, but even air coolers can't last forever in regards to compatibility. I built a rig with one 8 years ago and it never had any issues or maintenance asides from dusting. If you're just trying to save fan wear it's not worth it. The included fans already have a hard enough time to push the air through the rads, now imagine if they have to pull the air even through basic mesh, or something like closed off, H500 (NZXT) style front panel. Really excited for that one as I've been really eyeing that cooler since it released. Is it quieter with the AIO, is it the same, or is the AIO louder due to the different type of (pump) noise? The radiator is already fairly restrictive, but when you mount the rad in the case, you're adding more restrictions (dust filters, mesh, big ass glass/plastic front panel) that the included, usually garbage* fans on the AIO needs to push/pull air through, on top of the existing airflow restriction of the rad. My friend got an X62, broke within a year and he’s had an air cooler since. I'll bookmark TPU; I hadn't gone there in ages... [–]Ibuildempcs 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). A cpu will run the same whether at 20C or ~85C, so I don't see how it really matters. $68/yr is a NH-D15 every year and a half, or the difference between a 2060 and a 2070 Super if you upgrade every 3 years. Best SSDs AIO water cooling is considered the best for cooling efficiency short of a custom loop, but is it really? Nothing about "hot water" is going to touch a metallic bond. In a custom loop you can just drain and fix. USB header / software: I had the same concern. Best Big Air CPU Cooler: Deepcool Assassin III, Best Mid-size Air CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M, Best AMD Threadripper Air CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S, Best Budget Air CPU Cooler: be quiet! And now this man just ended Linus' career, [–]kryish 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago (2 children), [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 9 months ago (1 child), it's a meme/joke "I'm about to end this whole man's career" Offering performance so close to Noctua's flagship is nothing to scoff at. Some mfg even say if it happens, it's your problem, even under warranty. [–]Luxurious_Foam -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (3 children). I've not been able to find the cooling capacity on these coolers. It's metal at that point. Thats plasma. You want the best CPU cooler you can get, whether you’re aiming for  world-record overclocks or just a PC that doesn’t get loud under load. (GN)Scythe FUMA 2 CPU Air Cooler Review: Thermals, Noise, Pressure, & Effici... Adata Teams Up with Gigabyte & MSI for 64GB DDR5-8400 Memory Modules, AMD Ryzen 7 5800U Cezanne "Zen3" CPU tested - higher single-threaded score, problems with multi-threading - VideoCardz.com. Problem with this is that it is not always possible. While air coolers dissipate heat by using direct contact between heat pipes and processor, All-In-One (AIO) coolers use a coolant to transfer the heat from a processor to radiator. 2. Best Power Supplies. Former is easier to avoid and latter is indistinguishable from poor performance. Dimensions: 171.5 x 139.7 x 133.4mm | Base Height: 38.1mm | Weight: 42.7oz (1210g) | Fans: (2) 140 x 25mm | Socket Support: 115x, 1366, 2011x, 2066; FM2(+), FM1, AM2(+), AM3(+), AM4 | Warranty: 5 years. The air cooled GPU hit 80°C again, while the water cooled GPU was half that “hot”. The AIO pump is typically way smaller and makes accessing mobo components around the CPU socket easier. Choosing the right cooler for your best CPU is an important decision in any PC build or upgrade. At that point it isn't longer a fair comparison though. One good thing about liquid cooling is when you can set your fan curves to react to coolant temperature rather than CPU/GPU temperature. If you’re unsure whether you want air cooling or a liquid-cooled AIO, there are a few things to consider. [–]UlrikHD -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago (20 children). But I've not seen 3-5 years for every AIO as some "blanket" rule. There is a graph on top of the page but comparing two fans that way is a PITA compared to the old site. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (1 child). I feel better having direct airflow on the VRM, which tower-style coolers don't provide. [–]EitherGiraffe 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago* (0 children). [–]fiah84 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (2 children), the target audience who I assume are gamers who overclock should be thinking about how to cool their GPUs, not CPUs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves, [–]VenditatioDelendaEst 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago* (0 children). Asking if a heatpipe fails is...well, it's kind of like asking "any data on the failure rate of cases"? It punches above its cooling class, delivering excellent temps for its $59.99 MSRP. Now with AIO models with replaceable parts, it's more accurate to call only these newer replaceable part liquid cooling packages as "AIOs" and all the old stuff should be "AIO CLCs". I would like to give it a go some day but I currently have no need to upgrade, so unless a friend wants a hand building in which scenario I would then need to sell them on the idea of not only mITX but a SFF case to boot which brings us back to the cost problem. [–]Aggrokid 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). The value advantage could be important to current builders hoping to save money by using AMD's previous generation 2000-series parts. And there are absolutely reasons to go with air cooling: a good entry-level air cooler is typically about $20 less expensive than an entry-level liquid cooler, and has the potential to be quieter to boot. Posts should be about hardware news, reviews, technical discussion or how-tos and buyers guides. All of these suck from static pressure POV. If you have a different case it might be different. You should note that the tubing position for AIOs is important for getting rid of pump noise. I'm tired of transcribing, but he goes onto to say there are more failure points than just the pump: you've got permeation, corrosion if the wrong metals, percentage of glycol, etc. The 10% rule is enforced on /r/hardware; repeat offenders and/or your website or channel may be banned. They are "free" (emphasis on the quotation mark), where do they fit in this? To put it into perspective, in the FPU load tests on the overclocked 6700K, it's just 2°C behind the Noctua NH-D15. Did you watch a different video? Like my Meshfiy C has room for two 140/120mm fans on top, but not a 280mm AIO as there is not enough clearance, also if you have tall ram even a 240mm cooler could be trouble. If money isn't that much of an object and quiet operation and low temperatures are important to you, you may want to consider a custom cooling loop. Even the longest U-shaped heatpipes are ~40 centimeters, i.e., the Noctua DH-15, so ~48 micrometers of total expansion. The company’s pedigree, deeply rooted in performance and quality, are alone enough to draw the gaze of the enthusiasts. a reputable force of the PC industry. 140mm fan running without odd noises for 10 years especially in a high on/off cycle environment, is most impressive. Might come in the future. Nothing too surprising. Not really, but I had people come to me with failed AIOs that were only 1-2 year old. All the parts are included. Is it really true that you just have to replace them every 3-5 years? This includes tech support and PC building questions. If you disable password on wake it takes 6 seconds to wake. Hey guys, Just looking at cooling options for my new build (i5 3570k CPU & 7950 GPU). Also correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most CLCs require you to use usb header and additional software? I replaced it because I didn’t have AM4 mounting hardware, and I knew it was probably about worn out. My NH-d14 is 10 years old with stock fans - still running like a champ after several builds. My only issue with it is that the tubes are extremely stiff, and 1 of them has a crack in it. However i still probably won't ever buy a AIO. Even with air coolers, maybe they can't adapt the mounting hardware due to socket change, maybe the design is outdated, better cooling, etc. Pure Rock 2, We check over 130 million products every day for the best prices, Intel Rocket Lake-S CPU Skyrockets to 6.9 GHz Under Liquid Nitrogen, Thermaltake's Tower 100 Mini Is a True Showcase, EVGA Demos Liquid-Cooled GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Hydro Copper, Phytium Develops Eight-Core ARM CPU for Desktops, Thermaltake's Trio of CPU Coolers Tame The Toughest Of CPUs. Yeah it’s why I don’t really build in mainstream desktop cases anymore. Do the AIOs move the hot air efficiently outside the cage? This method transfers heat away from the CPU via the coolant, and the … My h100i is 8 years old and still working like the day I bought it. [–]Naekyr 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago (3 children), Any tempreture difference means different clock speed and that's important for a lot of people, [–]-protonsandneutrons- -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago* (0 children). If you're serious about overclocking lc kinda makes sense, for the rest just skip it. [–]stadiofriuli 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). In fact he says so around 4:50. [–]pakeco -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago* (4 children). The notion that full size cases have better temps than sff isn’t true anymore. There are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a cooling solution for your CPU, but the main factor is clear – performance. [–]Orelha1 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]slick_willyJR 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]Blacky-Noir -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago (0 children), That's often the issue with Gamers Nexus video. [–]GreenPylons 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (21 children). Having the radiator mounted horizontally above the pump is another good option. In lowest TDP bracket (up to 100W) air and AiO coolers with single radiator 120mm range have same capabilities cooling wise. Here's the failure rate of AIOs: 0.25% and dropping, according to Asetek (the employee previously at NZXT). [–]geniice 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (1 child). However, it’s relatively expensive. So there was a feedback loop holding the GPU temperature at the safe maximum. At some point this year I might change my NH15 for a ~$140 AIO, mainly to free the space around the CPU, and I've never been sure on what to choose (been on Noctua for a decade already). [–]MlNDB0MB 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]jarkum 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Stingray88 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). The best setup, I expect, would have a duct to give the GPU access to ambient temperature air. The Pros and Cons of Liquid Cooling a CPU. Both are AIOs ("all in one"). [–]GeneticsGuy 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). IIRC, I think NZXT Asetek rep had a GN interview where they claimed ~1% failure rates on AIOs. Both come with 1) monitor, 2) case, 3) power supply, 4) CPU, 5) GPU, etc. AIO sometimes is used incorrectly to mean "CLC", but that's not quite accurate and can cause confusion. Can't go wrong with a massive fucking rock, even if the fans fail. You need a radiator/heatsink to restrict airflow...so the air can cool the heatsink. This is something I think needed to be explored, and I wouldn't trust anyone other than GN to do it right. Can't have high on off cycles if you never turn off your pc. TPU reviewed this unit at 45$ US, while GN showed premium noctua models up to 90$, and liquid coolers up to 160 in my skimming of the video. If you start modifying aio you are getting into a different market. Or the default Ryzen coolers. Reservoir – holding tank for fluid and, in open cooling systems, allows for the easy addition of more fluid I think the main selling point with traditional tower heatsinks is that once they are installed they are trouble free. Well but in an AIO, you can't really easily drain water or replace a pump though right? Memes, direct image links, and low effort content will be removed. But be quiet! I understand the larger the radiator and more fans equal more cooling capacity, but it would be nice to see how much each is able to cool. [GN]Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling Benchmark In-Depth (NH-D15, NZXT X62, & More), http://www.coolingtechnique.com/recensioni/air-cooling/ventole.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves. 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